eGroups Daily Digest: afb has 100 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46275 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 46275. oruk-amigan@excite.com POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll, Mk. II :) 46276. Tudor Davies Re: POLL: Floppy Disks 46277. Robert Johnston Re: POLL: Floppy Disks 46278. Nick Lamburn Re: POLL: Floppy Disks 46279. Nick Lamburn Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) 46280. Tudor Davies Re: POLL: Floppy Disks 46281. Ben Vost Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) 46282. Simon John Hall How do you get NFS to work 46283. Phil Allen Re: 3.5 memory probs 46284. Phil Allen Re: OS 3.5 and memory problems[WARNING] 46285. Sean Martin Re: Zip 250 46286. Simon Jenkins Re: Translucent CDs 46287. Tudor Davies Re: Zip 250 46288. Kevin Fairhurst Re: Translucent CDs 46289. Neil Bothwick Re: HD Backup 46290. Phil Allen Is the Amiga a Games Machine 46291. Matthew O'Neill Re: A crappy announcement to have to make 46292. Matthew O'Neill DJ 46293. Matthew O'Neill fandabby dosey 46294. Matthew O'Neill Re: Is AF on the way out? 46295. Matthew O'Neill Green 46296. Matthew O'Neill This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8. 46297. Ben Vost Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9. 46298. Chris Green Re: Green 46299. Matthew O'Neill Phase5 46300. Tudor Davies Re: Phase5 46301. Kevin Fairhurst Re: Phase5 46302. Arran Smalley Re: Is the Amiga a Games Machine 46303. David McMinn Re: Phase5 46304. Robert Johnston Re: Green 46305. Robert Johnston Re: Phase5 46306. David McMinn Re: Phase5 46307. Jonathan Higgins Re: Phase5 46308. Tudor Davies Re: Phase5 46309. Richard Drummond Help! 46310. Tudor Davies Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? 46311. Matthew O'Neill Re: Help Me- IRC - What the hell is it??? 46312. Matthew O'Neill Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) 46313. Matthew O'Neill Re: The Amiga, where to now? 46314. Matthew O'Neill Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9. 46315. Matthew O'Neill Re: YAM PPC patch is a fake! 46316. Matthew O'Neill Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) 46317. Matthew O'Neill MUI 46318. Ben Vost Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9. 46319. Oliver Esberger Re: Phase5 46320. Oliver Esberger Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? 46321. Tim Seifert Re: THOR in my side.... 46322. Tim Seifert Re: TCP by Serial 46323. Tim Seifert Re: The falling circulation numbers. 46324. Tim Seifert Re: POLL: Microsoft Office 46325. Tim Seifert Re: PIRACY-SUCKS BIG TIME 46326. Tim Seifert Re: PIRACY-SUCKS 46327. Tim Seifert Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail. 46328. Tim Seifert Re: Star Office Amiga 46329. Tim Seifert Re: PIRACY-SUCKS 46330. Tim Seifert Re: DF1: as DF0: 46331. Tim Seifert Re: mhz (WAS: OT: Problem with MacOS8 running on 46332. Tim Seifert Re: alt.binaries? 46333. Tim Seifert Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa 46334. Tim Seifert Re: PIRACY-SUCKS 46335. Tim Seifert Re: OK, FINE! 46336. Tim Seifert Re: Modems & Line resets 46337. Tim Seifert Re: LS-120 Bargain 46338. Tim Seifert Re: java 'n' hex 46339. Tim Seifert Re: HTML directories 46340. Tim Seifert Re: Zippity do da, Zippity Day 46341. Sean Courtney Re: THOR in my side.... 46342. Anthony Prime Re: POLL: Microsoft Office 46343. Anthony Prime Re: AFCD50 46344. Ben Vost Re: AFCD50 46345. Neil Bothwick Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? 46346. Sandy Brownlee Keyboard Interface 46347. Kevin Fairhurst Re: The falling circulation numbers. 46348. Chris Andrews Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail. 46349. Mark Wilson Re: PIRACY-SUCKS 46350. Chris Andrews Re: Star Office Amiga 46351. Neil Bothwick Re: alt.binaries? 46352. Neil Bothwick Re: THOR in my side.... 46353. Paul Cundle Re: POLL: Are you taking part in the spending fre 46354. Paul Cundle Re: New ish 46355. Roger Sivertsen This is why the Amiga died 46356. Sandy Brownlee Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa 46357. Sandy Brownlee Re: AFCD50 46358. Rick Hodger Re: G3/G4 cards 46359. Rick Hodger Re: V 46360. Rick Hodger Re: 3.5 memory probs 46361. Frost Re: Sim City 2000 46362. Matthew Garrett Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa 46363. Sandy Brownlee Re: TCP via Serial 46364. Kevin Fairhurst Re: alt.binaries? 46365. Kevin Fairhurst Re: G3/G4 cards 46366. Jonathan M. Dudley MUI - was: A crappy announcement... 46367. Jonathan M. Dudley MUI - was: A crappy announcement... 46368. Jonathan M. Dudley Re: AFCD50 46369. Jonathan M. Dudley MUI - was: A crappy announcement to have to make 46370. Daniel Thornton Re: PIRACY-SUCKS 46371. Chris Andrews Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement... 46372. Chris Andrews Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement... 46373. Neil Bothwick Re: V 46374. Neil Bothwick Re: New ish ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46275 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46275 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:11:34 -0800 From: oruk-amigan@excite.com X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll, Mk. II :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 09-02-2000: Sorry guys and gals; i forgot the date on the first one! :) Basically how much do you use floppy disks? :) (Computer ones that is ;) ---- Please select one of the following: o All the time o Sometimes o Once in a while o Occasionally o Rarely o Never now. by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=950101894319&listname=afb Thank you! ------------------------------ message 46276 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46276 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:15:08 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE0@THE_EXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE0@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Floppy Disks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0000, Robert Johnston wrote: > > > o 12" Drive :)) > > Are you sure - or do you mean 8"? > > Never heard of a 12" floppy - maybe 12" cylinder storage (hard disk > > forerunner) but not a floppy. > It's Big (12" per side), it's square, it's (VERY) Floppy, It goes into my > BBC Master series... It's a 12" Floppy Disk, right? Nope - I disagree. IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their /370(?) mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest *ever* used. If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either: 1/ deliberatly misleading your partner 2/ crap at parking l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46277 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46277 From: Robert Johnston Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:17:38 -0000 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Floppy Disks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > o 12" Drive :)) > > > Are you sure - or do you mean 8"? > > > Never heard of a 12" floppy - maybe 12" cylinder storage > (hard disk > > > forerunner) but not a floppy. > > It's Big (12" per side), it's square, it's (VERY) Floppy, > It goes into my > > BBC Master series... It's a 12" Floppy Disk, right? > > Nope - I disagree. > IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their > /370(?) mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest > *ever* used. > If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either: > 1/ deliberatly misleading your partner > 2/ crap at parking IIRC (I may be wrong), it was shown in the film "Wargames" (Late 70's, Sci-fi/Hacking)... I could be wrong, tho. -- ------------------------------ message 46278 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46278 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:21:26 -0800 From: "Nick Lamburn" In-Reply-To: <20000209141508.D11806@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Floppy Disks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > Nope - I disagree. > IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their > /370(?) It was the 370. :) > mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest *ever* used. > If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either: > 1/ deliberatly misleading your partner > 2/ crap at parking Hee Hee! :) All the best, Nick. ------------------------------ message 46279 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46279 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:24:33 -0800 From: "Nick Lamburn" In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE1@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > > Here are the results of the vote: > > > > 1. Still use them a lot on my Amiga 1 > > Roflol!! Yip that be my vote in my terminated poll! :)) However I only really use on Mac and PC emulation to transfer work backwards and forwards if the machine i was working on didn't have an Internet connection. (When I would send the files via e-mail and then stick em on disk). However I hardly Amiga floppy disks now; only really when I transfer between my A600 and A1200T. :) All the best, Nick. ------------------------------ message 46280 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46280 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:56 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE2@THE_EXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE2@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Floppy Disks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 01:17:38PM -0000, Robert Johnston wrote: > IIRC (I may be wrong), it was shown in the film "Wargames" (Late 70's, > Sci-fi/Hacking)... I could be wrong, tho. Anyway, the computer used in Wargames was an AT&T system and the film wasn't made until 1983.. so definately 8". l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46281 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46281 From: "Ben Vost" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:58:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87roha+2lkk@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi oruk-amigan@excite.com, > Okay next one; what do you think about Floppy Disks?! :) (sad git you > mutter!) ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AFB: All polls MUST have dates, and if you have something to Cancelled. All the best, -- Ben Vost (x2337) /PGP key available/ T: (+44) 01225 442244 Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Whose cruel idea was it to put an s in the word "Lisp"? ------------------------------ message 46282 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46282 From: Simon John Hall Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:16:30 -0000 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] How do you get NFS to work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having some troubles running a NFS client on my A1200, and have played around with the ch_#? files but still can't get it to work, I can get the server running fine, but not the client. Any thoughts from anyone? Simon Hall ------------------------------ message 46283 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46283 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:27:32 -0800 From: "Phil Allen" In-Reply-To: <87q0bj$39pg@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: 3.5 memory probs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "james" wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=46174 > I got OS3.5 last week. It installed no problem and worked great, mostly. > Except, I keep getting out of memory errors. I've got 16Mb fast, in my > A1200. > My screenmode is 640x512 DBLPAL in 16 colours, and I usually have about > 1.6Mb > chip free on boot. The problems usually occur with the prefs progs, in > particular, palette and pointer prefs, which refuse to load, giving no > error > message, if I've been using the machine for a while. Has anyone else > experienced this? > Not exactly that but something similar. What accelerator do you have? I think the early revision Vipers and possibly Blizzards have problems with 3.5. With 3.1 ROMs and 16Mb on my MkI Viper my system wouldn't boot. just an idea. Regards, Phil ------------------------------ message 46284 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46284 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:36:03 -0800 From: "Phil Allen" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: OS 3.5 and memory problems[WARNING] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit roger buckley wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=46032 > Hello Roger > > you wrote: > Which model Viper have you got ? Recently transferred my mark V Viper to a 3.1 > machine and it works just fine. > I've got a MkI or II Viper, they were made around '94, before the 3.1 ROMs were out. I think they also clash with the PCMCIA slot. I'll just have to wait for my G4 card, whenever that arrives. Regards, Phil ------------------------------ message 46285 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46285 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:36:28 -0800 From: "Sean Martin" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Zip 250 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "ben vost" wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=46231 > Hi Sean, > > My zip drive has died from the dreaded "click of death" and > > zip 250 scsi > > i understand the zip250 plays old zip100 is this implemented > > Still hangin in there ;) > > Any answers to sean@martin53.freeserve.co.uk > Sigh. The people who don't read my reviews... > Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 Ahem! which reveiew might that be ben ? i look forward to receiving your (almost) devine wisdom. Anyone got a mountfile for a zip250 they could send ? ------------------------------ message 46286 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46286 From: Simon Jenkins Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:53:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Translucent CDs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /*Thank You Kevin Fairhurst For Your Email Dated 08-Feb-00*/ = > I don't any more. I'd been running lots of stuff, so rebooted and trie= d > again and presto, it worked! > = > Yes, I DID have CD0 mounted, before you comment :-=DE Really!?! ;-)) Seriously, I wouldn't have suggested that :-) -- = Simon "Jinky" Jenkins = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto, CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA = GI-Quatro HD 4x CD-ROM Atapi ZIP, Blizzard 1230IV FPU 32MB, = = Hypercom 3+, Pace 56k (V.90), Epson Stylus Photo 700 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = /OS 3.5 Powered!/ = = "Bother," said Pooh, as he slipped on the bannana skin. = = = = = = = = ------------------------------ message 46287 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46287 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:54:28 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: <87ru1c$pj8f@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <87ru1c$pj8f@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Zip 250 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:36:28AM -0800, Sean Martin wrote: > > Sigh. The people who don't read my reviews... > > Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 > Ahem! which reveiew might that be ben ? i look forward to receiving > your (almost) devine wisdom. That'll be the review in issue 124 page 55 then Sean :) btw where in Weston are you, 'cos I live there as well. l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46288 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46288 From: "Kevin Fairhurst" Date: 9 Feb 2000 14:56:10 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Translucent CDs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:53:21 +0100, Simon Jenkins (simon@jinky=2Econnectfre= e=2Eco=2Euk) wrote: > /*Thank You Kevin Fairhurst For Your Email Dated 08-Feb-00*/ >=20=20 > > I don't any more=2E I'd been running lots of stuff, so rebooted and tr= ied > > again and presto, it worked! > >=20 > > Yes, I DID have CD0 mounted, before you comment :-=DE >=20 > Really!?! ;-)) Yes, really=2E I have no idea why it didn't work, but all is well and good now=2E BTW, what do people think of my screengrab? It took me many attemp= ts to get the Frogger window just right showing Bill getting pied ;-) > Seriously, I wouldn't have suggested that :-) Honestly? ;) kev --=20 Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM ------------------------------ message 46289 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46289 Date: 9 Feb 2000 13:31:41 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBD3@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: HD Backup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Robert Johnston said, >> Hello To All You Amiga Users Out There. > AaAaAaAaaaAAAaAAaarrRrrRrrRggggGGgGGGggGGhhHHhHhhHHhhhhHH!!!!!!!! > Excessive Capitlisation Error: [A]bort [R]etry [E]xplode What? No plug for the Capital Letter Filter, only 25 inc VAT from Simply Computers? :-) Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- Never knock on Death's door. Ring the doorbell and run. He hates that. ------------------------------ message 46290 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46290 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:05:41 -0800 From: "Phil Allen" X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Is the Amiga a Games Machine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Latest issue, Ian Aisbitt writes that coverage for upcoming games is a waste of space and that the "Amiga, as a computer, has outgrown games anyway". A somewhat short-sighted and narrow-minded view, IMHO. If the Amiga has truly outgrown games then we're too late, as a platform it is relegated to the backroom to be used for specialist tasks, never again to grace the family's table. Games drive the hardware market, they push the boundaries of performance and the power of the gaming community's voice forces developers to design newer, faaster and more capable systems. Word processors and spreadsheets don't need phenomenal amounts of MHz and MBytes, games do. The unwashed masses demand entertainment, not office software. In today's world entertainment comes in the form of the Internet and games. In the early 90s the PC market exploded on the back of games like Doom and Descent. Games that exhibited characteristics never before seen, games that mimiced life a little bit more and allowed the gamer to interact with a totally new, albeit limited, universe. Even then the only aim was kill as many other inhabitants of that universe as possible. The next step in gaming will be the "total immersion experience", allowing players to interact with each other and a digital universe and to affect situations and outcomes in that universe. Hopefully, games like E2260 will offer that experience. Whatever happens, the Amiga needs games to survive. Good games will entice back those lost souls who left for higher frame rates, we need them back to expand the market and get more programmers producing the quality games that made the Amiga what it was. The time is ripe for our return, soul-less offerings like Tomb Raider IV will give us the oppotunity to rule once more. All we need is for the programmers that I'm sure are out there to take inspiration from the modern game, add a new twist and a bit more depth. Regards in anticipation of outraged replies, Phil BTW, sad to see Tony Horgan go, but yeah, you were getting a bit too depressing for me, mate. Never mind, I will remember you and CU Amiga with great fondness. RIP ------------------------------ message 46291 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46291 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:28:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: A crappy announcement to have to make MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 08-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote: >> Month in view: you say about not having enough to write about, but then >> you give V a 1 page review!!? > Yessss, that's the point surely? V, thousands will use, but has a 1 page review PS4, hundereds will use, has a 4 page review Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash As funny as...a drunken airline pilot. ------------------------------ message 46292 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46292 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:34:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] DJ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote: >> oh and I must say that DJNick's avi is absolutely gobsmacking and >> should've won the gallery IMHO > It was amazing and was also mainly generated on a PC. Really? The song was made in Octamed sound studio. Most of the images were made in ArtEffect and Candy factory pro. Pretty good considering his country was recently f**ked up good and proper by Slobby Milosavich. Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Its not the women in my life that count...its the life in my women. ------------------------------ message 46293 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46293 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:49:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87os0d$d8i6@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] fandabby dosey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08-Feb-00, Mikey C wrote: > Finally, who or what are the "Crankies?" They were fandabby-dosey! tee hee he he, dornt yer be smacking me in der face widdat creeem pie! IIRC they were in french an saunder's mick take on silence of the lambs Mash - slurp -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Whenever you're around. --The Cat. Around. --Lister and Rimmer. ------------------------------ message 46294 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46294 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:52:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <374D73D3385AD311A3DF00A0C9FC21B304C81D@CLASSLINK-BDC> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Is AF on the way out? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Simon > I got my subscription AF today and it had no spine or CD case! Are AF > cutting down costs because they may be going down or is there some other > reason? And when are the the Blizzard G4s coming out? > Simon Hall You've just joined the list have't you? if not then give yourself 3 lashes right now Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Bill Clinton: the Milli Vanilli of presidents ------------------------------ message 46295 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46295 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:35:24 +0100 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Green MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hey Chris, so hat happened to the international playboy bit then? Mash -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash If at first you don't succeed: Blame everyone else. ------------------------------ message 46296 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46296 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:23:46 +0100 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8...7... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help! I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved the changes, it popped up an amber message: ***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something version)*** fs 43.19 (7-11-97) For legal and safety reasons, remove it from your system now!! What the hell is this? Mash -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Is it bad when people take your posts and make em into recipes? ------------------------------ message 46297 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46297 From: "Ben Vost" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:12:20 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8...7... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matthew, > I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved > the changes, it popped up an amber message: > ***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something > version)*** > fs 43.19 (7-11-97) > For legal and safety reasons, remove it from your system now!! > What the hell is this? It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's website and put it in the RDB of your drives. All the best, -- Ben Vost (x2337) /PGP key available/ T: (+44) 01225 442244 Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I won't be on time", Tom said belatedly. ------------------------------ message 46298 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46298 From: "Chris Green" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:15:41 -0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Green MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi > Hey Chris, so hat happened to the international playboy bit then? Thankfully it got weeded out at the last minute by our Ed :) The trouble is the production guys are still planning to slip it back in again in another issue :( Cheers Chris 'Playboy' Green Technical Editor - Computing VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG .................................................................. Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160 Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk ICQ: 10921400 URL: http://computing.vnunet.com .................................................................. ------------------------------ message 46299 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46299 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:16:59 +0100 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shit Mash -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash ------------------------------ message 46300 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46300 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:27:48 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mash wrote: > Shit Why? l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46301 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46301 From: "Kevin Fairhurst" Date: 9 Feb 2000 15:28:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:16:59 +0100, Matthew O'Neill (mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk) wrote: > Shit I'm sorry? Is this some sort of announcement as to what you think of them? Kev -- Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM ------------------------------ message 46302 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46302 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:35:29 +0000 From: Arran Smalley References: <87rvo5$2ckg@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Is the Amiga a Games Machine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil Allen wrote: > Latest issue, Ian Aisbitt writes that coverage for upcoming games is a > waste of space and that the "Amiga, as a computer, has outgrown games > anyway". A somewhat short-sighted and narrow-minded view, IMHO. If the > Amiga has truly outgrown games then we're too late, as a platform it is > relegated to the backroom to be used for specialist tasks, never again > to grace the family's table. > Games drive the hardware market, they push the boundaries of > performance and the power of the gaming community's voice forces > developers to design newer, faaster and more capable systems. Word > processors and spreadsheets don't need phenomenal amounts of MHz and > MBytes, games do. The unwashed masses demand entertainment, not office > software. In today's world entertainment comes in the form of the > Internet and games. > In the early 90s the PC market exploded on the back of games like > Doom and Descent. Games that exhibited characteristics never before > seen, games that mimiced life a little bit more and allowed the gamer > to interact with a totally new, albeit limited, universe. Even then the > only aim was kill as many other inhabitants of that universe as > possible. > The next step in gaming will be the "total immersion experience", > allowing players to interact with each other and a digital universe and > to affect situations and outcomes in that universe. Hopefully, games > like E2260 will offer that experience. > Whatever happens, the Amiga needs games to survive. Good games will > entice back those lost souls who left for higher frame rates, we need > them back to expand the market and get more programmers producing the > quality games that made the Amiga what it was. The time is ripe for our > return, soul-less offerings like Tomb Raider IV will give us the > oppotunity to rule once more. All we need is for the programmers that > I'm sure are out there to take inspiration from the modern game, add a > new twist and a bit more depth. > > Regards in anticipation of outraged replies, Phil > > BTW, sad to see Tony Horgan go, but yeah, you were getting a bit too > depressing for me, mate. Never mind, I will remember you and CU Amiga > with great fondness. RIP > Hello Phil I'm in agreement with what you are saying. Seems that the hardware that current Amigas are using isn't capable of running modern games. If running games is your main priority, by the time you have forked out for PPC, a tower, GFX card etc., you may as well have bought a PC, which would offer more power, and many more games. Even with such additions Amiga's are still stuck with old Motherboards running at snail like speeds, (7Mhz, 14Mhz, I can't remember which). Especially when compared to more modern computers, the latest Macs are running at 100Mhz. Even the PPC's and graphics cards being used are underpowered. Computing power may not make good games but to run the kind of immersive graphics we are talking about, systems based on erly 90's technology just don't cut the mustard. Arran Incidentally, I reckon that no one will produce anything that compares to Frontier, all that game on one 880K disc! ------------------------------ message 46303 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46303 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:37:58 -0800 From: "David McMinn" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Shit Apparently their mail serves have been bouncing for 3 weeks and they ain't been replying to White Knight (neither would I though ;). So someone came up with the great idea that they've went bust, but they're actually just on holiday or something until they get the bits they need for the G4 cards. ------------------------------ message 46304 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46304 From: Robert Johnston Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:18:12 -0000 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Green MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thankfully it got weeded out at the last minute by our Ed :) > The trouble is > the production guys are still planning to slip it back in > again in another > issue :( > > Cheers > Chris *'Playboy'* Green > Technical Editor - Computing > VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG > .................................................................. > Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160 Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk > ICQ: 10921400 URL: http://computing.vnunet.com > .................................................................. Meanwhile you perpetuate the rumour... -- ------------------------------ message 46305 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46305 From: Robert Johnston Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:27:14 -0000 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: [afb] Phase5 > > > Shit Perdone Moi? -- ------------------------------ message 46306 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46306 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:44:09 -0800 From: "David McMinn" In-Reply-To: <87s1km$bcrs@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Shit > > Apparently their mail serves have been bouncing for 3 weeks and they > ain't been replying to White Knight (neither would I though ;). So > someone came up with the great idea that they've went bust, but they're > actually just on holiday or something until they get the bits they need > for the G4 cards. Oh, and moving their HQ. ------------------------------ message 46307 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46307 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:02:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Higgins In-Reply-To: <20000209162748.A12687@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > Mash wrote: > > > Shit > > Why? Have a look at: http://www.ann.lu/ Ciao -- Jonathan Higgins - ISIS Research Group University of Southampton ICQ UIN - 7610841 ------------------------------ message 46308 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46308 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:08:59 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: <20000209162748.A12687@high5.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 04:02:26PM +0000, Jonathan Higgins wrote: > > > Shit > > Why? > Have a look at: > http://www.ann.lu/ Yeah I know all that. I was just wondering why it was worrying? Some major companies lose their web servers occasionnaly(sic!) but no-one goes - ahh, they must have closed up! give them time - if something has happened, wait for someone in Germany to find out from the authorities - when a company closes, there's a hell of a lot of paperwork to do :) until then, they have relocated - the telco didn't get their line in on time (not unlikely!) or they are having a holiday waiting for G4 chips. Mind you - has anyone contacted any of their Mac dealers or looked at any Mac news to see if they are worried? l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46309 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46309 From: "Richard Drummond" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:26:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anybody using a CyberVisionPPC with CGX3? If so, could they email me a copy of the driver? Cheers, Rich -- Richard Drummond Staff Writer, Amiga Format mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk pgp : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417 ------------------------------ message 46310 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46310 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:37:57 +0100 From: Tudor Davies References: <20000209162748.A12687@high5.net> <20000209170859.A12839@high5.net> In-Reply-To: <20000209170859.A12839@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 05:08:59PM +0100, Tudor Davies wrote: Just read the news from ann timed at 14:26 - hadn't seen this yet. Bummer! Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or was it a license ie - without Phase5 can they still make them? l8r -- Tudor Davies Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices Technology in Perfect Harmony Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Specialist in Internet Security & ISP Email: tudor@high5.net Support (RADIUS, Firewalls & Routing) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 46311 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46311 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:43:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Help Me- IRC - What the hell is it??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08-Feb-00, Sam Thomas wrote: > I have now been on line about a month now, but have yet to look at IRC, > what is it roughly arrr, it be a land of murky waters and evil filth! > and what channels(?) do you recommend. Analogy time again :) Servers are like different countries, lets say undernet is the UK, Dalnet is the USA and galaxynet is Japan. There's many servers all connecting to the same system, eg primary.us.galaxynet.org and bristol.uk.galaxynet.org will both connect you to the galaxynet system. In each of these different systems, you can connect to almost any channel (like a room) where everything you type will be instantly (hopefuly) be relayed to anyone else on that server and in that room. You can connect dirrectly to anyone else in that system and have a 1 to 1 if ya like so no-one else can join in > Is the AmIRC > from NC3 any good or is there a better alternative? (there does seem to be > a few set up already with the program) Thats the best program you'll get, on pc mac or amiga #amigacafe on any undernet server is fairly quiet, but you'll always find nice people on there, no arseole mucking about Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Optimist: MS-DOS salesman with a pager. ------------------------------ message 46312 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46312 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:51:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87roha+2lkk@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 09-Feb-00, oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote: > o Still use them a lot on my Amiga > o Occassionally I use them > o Rarely I use them > o I haven't used one for months 1) no date 2) we had this poll a couple of weeks ago Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Politics: When one makes a decision that involves others. ------------------------------ message 46313 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46313 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:00:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87r3s2$277g@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: The Amiga, where to now? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 09-Feb-00, Scott Kernaghan wrote: > Create ART, Check! > Go into a shop and say I WANT A 32Gig HD for My Amiga, IT uses IDE so > you're commonplace PC parts will go into My Machine. Check! > Talk about your Amiga! Check! (although usually in defense) > Sell one to a freind and show them how to use it. Check > Give/Donate/ lease one to a local school, show them the cool things > that can easily with it and put it straight onto video! Show them > ScalaMM400 Etc. Check, along with a genlock :) Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. ------------------------------ message 46314 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46314 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:01:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8...7... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 09-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote: >> I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved >> the changes, it popped up an amber message: >> ***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something >> version)*** something something = beta > It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's website > and put it in the RDB of your drives. hmmmm, is there a newer one which wont threaten to eliminate my drive? Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Hmmm.. what's this red button foNO CARRIER ------------------------------ message 46315 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46315 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:06:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: YAM PPC patch is a fake! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08-Feb-00, Rick Hodger wrote: > massive amount of speed...why try to make it work on a PPC other than for > a future G4-native version? Just answered your own question Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash Nothing succeeds like failure. ------------------------------ message 46316 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46316 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:05:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE1@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Robert >> Here are the results of the vote: >> 1. Still use them a lot on my Amiga 1 > Roflol!! 100% of those that voted agree, is this a record? Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash "Live long and suffer" -Ancient Vulcan curse ------------------------------ message 46317 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46317 From: Matthew O'Neill Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:03:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <705.73T1540T10304318neil@wire.net.uk> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] MUI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Neil > Why would Stefan even consider working on it when there are people that > have been using 3.x for years without paying? Why would I consider paying when there wont be a new version? works both ways. Mash - -- Matthew O'Neill - MashMan HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash "Steel tide on an asphalt beach" ------------------------------ message 46318 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46318 From: "Ben Vost" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:15:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8...7... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matthew, >> It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's >> website and put it in the RDB of your drives. > hmmmm, is there a newer one which wont threaten to eliminate my drive? Yes, the one with OS3.5. All the best, -- Ben Vost (x2337) /PGP key available/ T: (+44) 01225 442244 Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hyperbole is absolutely the worst mistake you can possibly make ------------------------------ message 46319 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46319 From: Oliver Esberger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:23:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20000209170859.A12839@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Phase5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello , On 09-Feb-00, you wrote: > Yeah I know all that. I was just wondering why it was worrying? Some > major companies lose their web servers occasionnaly(sic!) but no-one > goes - ahh, they must have closed up! They have sent faxes to dealers that they have gone bankrupt. On Amiga-News.de you can even read who is handling the insolvency. This is pretty official. Regards -- Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de ------------------------------ message 46320 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46320 From: Oliver Esberger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:33:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20000209173756.A13066@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello , On 09-Feb-00, you wrote: > Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or > was it a license > > ie - without Phase5 can they still make them? German law allows it that the administrator who is handling the affairs lets the company continue its businness, so as long as DCE has to pay royalties for its licenses they may continue. Even if they don't have to pay I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to continue. A basic rule is the parts of the company making money continue (to regain as much money as possible). Remember Amiga Technologies? They were still selling Amigas and Monitors after they went bankrupt, I think under the administration of a certain Mr Hembach, who had already handled the Commodore Germany bankruptcy. Regards -- Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de ------------------------------ message 46321 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46321 Date: 9 Feb 2000 11:0:32 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: THOR in my side.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Darren Smith To: afb On: 30-Jan-00 00:17:09 Re: [afb] Re: THOR in my side.... Hi Darren, >> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to >> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all >> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although >> ConnectThor tells me everything went through. > How about setting your clock back to 1999 ? Setting your clock backwards when posting to newsgroups, of all places, is likely to get your postings deleted instantly for being too old. Newservers expire messages on any one of various criteria; available drive space, deleting oldest stored messages, deleting oldest dated messages. So what do you think might happen for something with a date a year older than the rest of the messages? And then you'll be copping a lot of flack for posting with a wrong date anyway. ;-\ Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46322 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46322 Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:34:47 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: <40B60C694F60D311ABB50090279411ABE965EB@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: TCP by Serial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Robert Johnston To: 'afb@egroups.com' On: 02-Feb-00 21:11:16 Re: [afb] Re: TCP by Serial Hi Robert, >> Is it at all possable to create a tcp links between Amiga and pc >> using a null modem cable. I have currently been trying to use miami`s >> null modem option and windose dialup modem option with no sucess. > Yes, but you need the "Null Modem Cable" modem installed on the PC. I > can't remember exactly where you get it, tho. Null MODEM cable MODEM??? You mean a Null MODEM device installed, most likely. This site was given to me for information about doing what you're trying to: home.intekom.com/jacog/howtonet/dullmodem.html I've been playing with this, and got the PC and Amiga to connect to each other without problems (once I built my own PROPERLY wired Null MODEM cable). At that site are instructions, plus a Windows driver file for a Null MODEM. Basically you configure a PC DUN (dial up networking) entry to connect to the Amiga via the Null MODEM device, and you do the same idea on the Amiga. What I can't manage, is to get the PC to hold two DUNs at once (the second one will never connect, and sometimes cause the first to hang up too). So I can't dial the net on the PC, link up the Amiga to the PC, and use both computers off the one MODEM. It wants a network (LAN) adaptor installed to do that. > This eMail (and any attachments) should only be read by .... ..... people mad enough to be on such a high volume mailing list.... I couldn't resist warping your disclaimer. ;-) Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46323 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46323 Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:56:13 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: The falling circulation numbers. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit _Replying to a message_: By: Ben Vost To: afb On: 02-Feb-00 20:20:51 Re: [afb] Re: The falling circulation numbers. Hi Ben, >>>> tell them to subscribe....show them a recent publication if they >>>> want to >> Erm, as I stated before, not all of them can afford the one-off >> payment for a magazine. > As I've just said to Nick, and fully expect to be flamed for, if they > can't afford even the 25 for a six-month subscription, are they > spending *any* money on their Amigas, and if not, how are they > "helping the Amiga market"? And why should we? Why does everyone have this rampant capitialist attitude that we should be forever giving other people our money, just for the sake of it? Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46324 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46324 Date: 10 Feb 2000 3:53:41 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Rick Hodger To: afb On: 06-Feb-00 00:32:20 Re: [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office Hi Rick, >> I personally think the Windows registry is a bloody good idea. > No it's not, I've lost count of the number of times when booting, > Windows pops up that wee "Windows found an error in your registry, a > backup has been restored" and usually means having to reinstall half > the software on the machine...not to mention the amount of crap that > it get's filled with from programs that have been uninstalled. And let's not forget the other Windows problem, created by centralised storage of settings, that each device can only have one set up. As soon as something decides to change the configuration, everything else gets stuffed around. A simple example is something that mutes a source on your sound card. Then the next program that needs that source, doesn't un-mute it, but uses the sound card as the last thing left it. As well as not supporting multiple devices: You have 3 video capture devices (and you need them all, because there isn't one all purpose device that can do the job of three). But Windows can only cope with using one of them at a time (and I mean, you have to reboot to change, not just quit the application). No, I don't agree with a central registry for everything. It's too much of putting all your eggs in one basket. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46325 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46325 Date: 9 Feb 2000 9:31:5 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: <871obf$81t4@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS BIG TIME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit _Replying to a message_: By: Nick Lamburn To: afb On: 31-Jan-00 01:19:59 Re: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS BIG TIME Hi Nick, > Tried already to persuade them to get a Amiga Forever, but 40 they > just thought it wasn't worth it!? So in their opinion killing the > Amiga is worth it! But how's that going to help? Buying that isn't keeping the Amiga alive, as it's an ancient discontinued product. Hoping they'll buy a real Amiga isn't feasible, as there isn't one. If we get a new one, it'll be different from the existing ones anyway. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46326 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46326 Date: 9 Feb 2000 9:39:13 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Vincenzo Morra To: afb On: 02-Feb-00 21:24:13 Re: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS Hi Vincenzo, >> To be honest I wish people would stop blaming pirates for everything. >> Face it until some new machine is released, no-one is gonna buy much. > Lets give them a medal, Seriously, they are a cancer and I don't care > if you think the Amiga software sucks. Pirates are NOW responsible for > the (almost) death of Amiga. Crap! It's the companies that made the Amiga that are responsible for its death. They stuffed it all the way. Amiga (whichever company) never even backed the production of any software that I know about. The computer was nearly always overpriced, and undersupported, and towards the end was woefully inadequate compared with the competition. And that's the crux of the matter. The Amiga died, because it was overtaken by other technology (IBM clones). If thousands of PC pirates suddenly released all sorts of software, that wouldn't kill the PC. The computer would still be sold. It'd damage the software developing industry, sure, but not the actual /computer/. And anyway, where do people get this insane idea that unless you're not constantly spending money on your computer, that you're selfish? Geez, I bought mine to do a job, and once I've got it to the stage it works well, that's it. No more money spent on it. That's what I expect from appliances. I'm not going to lose sleep over whether Amiga doesn't make any more profit from me. To hell with any company who wants me to forever hand over my cash. It's rampant capitalism gone mad. It's about time they realised that the virtual extortion in the computer industry is the problem itself. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46327 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46327 Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:18:39 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Chris Andrews To: Chris Andrews On: 03-Feb-00 02:45:38 Re: [afb] Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail. Hi Chris, >> The spaces will sometimes cause problems. Using %20 as a code for >> the space (I think that's the right number), sometimes works, and >> sometimes doesn't (various clients will correctly translate it into a >> space, others will leave it as %20). > ...or a "+", which is easier to remember. Which, surprise surprise, doesn't work with Microsoft IE and OE. The subject line gets the + symbol written into it. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46328 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46328 Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:23:12 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Star Office Amiga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Alan L.M. Buxey To: afb On: 31-Jan-00 01:26:58 Re: [afb] Re: Star Office Amiga Hi Alan, >> I noticed that Alan L M Buxey mentioned SUN's free office suite for >> the Amiga. AFAIK there wasn't an Amiga port as yet? Is there one? >> Where can I download it from, I've tried SUN's site, where is it?! >> :-) > I mentioned Amiga and StarOffice in the same sentence, yes - but with > an idea of it BEING ported. It isnt currently. Having got it on the PC, I consider it diabolical. Though I've never liked office suites. I don't like convoluted interconnected software, that likes to pretend its an OS in itself, but doesn't behave like your OS or any of your other applications. I prefer having seperate word processors, paint programs, spreadsheets, etc, and being able to us ARexx to make them talk to each other. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46329 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46329 Date: 10 Feb 2000 3:52:29 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Phil Edwards To: afb On: 12-Jan-00 03:37:55 Re: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS Hi Phil, >> I have read on the latest Amiga Active what piracy is doing to >> Vaporware Better programming might actually help, rather than hideously buggy and seriously outdated web browsers. > Tell me about it. The amount of times I, and Mark, have seen people > come on IRC with pirate keyfiles is pretty horrifying tbh. Making it possible to register software without putting a huge burden on the customer also helps. It's stupid when Amiga owners can't use Amiga software to register their software over the net. If I have to use a PC to register Amiga software that has half the functionality of the PC software, I may as well not bother. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46330 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46330 Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:50:57 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: DF1: as DF0: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Rick Hodger To: afb On: 30-Jan-00 23:06:32 Re: [afb] Re: DF1: as DF0: Hi Rick, > As to your installer script thing, simply load the script into a > decent text editor and tell it to "Find & Replace" any DF0: with DF1: > ...simple :) So what sort of pain writes an installer script that insists on installing from DFanything: instead of using the volume name of the disk? Some of us do have more than one disk drive! It's just as bad as various things insisting on unpacking to RAM: Even better is to let the script run from the current working directory, that way people can install something from any location. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46331 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46331 Date: 9 Feb 2000 8:49:41 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: <200002040108.BAA21547@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: mhz (WAS: OT: Problem with MacOS8 running on Fusion.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Gerald Mellor <9745589@tiree.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: afb On: 04-Feb-00 10:08:39 Re: [afb] Re: mhz (WAS: OT: Problem with MacOS8 running on Fusion.) Hi Gerald, >> That's still all wrong (whether you're arguing about bits, bytes, >> etc). Mega means million, and Kilo means thousand. 1024 is not one >> thousand, so you can't use kilo to represent 1024 of them. Neither >> is 1024 bytes, or bits, one million of them. So you can not use mega >> and kilo, in this way, binary figures, it's an absolute mis-use of an >> SI unit. > It's not a mis-use, it's a different use. In computing terms, "kilo" > still means thousand, but it's a binary thousand, ie 2^10. No, it IS a mis-use. We can't redefine numbers to suit how someone writes them down. If I have a box with ten apples in it, I have a box with ten apples in it. You can't say, no, if I count the contents of your box in binary, you have 8 apples. Two to the tenth power is not one thousand. Or are you trying to say something else with the carat between 2 and 10 (above)? The word "thousand," means one thousand (one thousand somethings), no matter what you count it in. Not one digit somewhere around the fourth place where you've written the number. 1000 decimal = 3E8 hexadecimal = 1750 octal = 1111101000 binary. They are all one thousand. There aren't different thousands. There is no such thing as a binary thousand, being a different figure than a decimal thousand, no more than 10 oranges is different number than 10 lemons. 10000000000 binary can't be written as 1K simply because it's got one bit set in the thousands RANGE. No more than I can say that 1024 decimal is 1K. It ain't. 1024 is one thousand AND twenty four, not one thousand. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46332 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46332 Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:30:44 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: <463.67T540T6783374neil@wire.net.uk> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: alt.binaries? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Neil Bothwick To: Tim Seifert On: 02-Feb-00 20:18:10 Re: [afb] Re: alt.binaries? Hi Neil, >> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software. > That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s... Don't forget LINUX distributions........................... > 96% of Usenet's 100GB+ per day is binaries, something it was never > intended for. Hmm, well e-mail has also expanded from it's origins, HTML too, and it hasn't always been a good thing either. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46333 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46333 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:52:48 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Was: Exams)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Mark To: afb On: 04-Feb-00 21:13:15 Re: [afb] Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Was: Exams)) Hi Mark, >>> But due to relativity, c is the upper limit for speed relative to >>> anything, so you wouldn't get further away by travelling in the >>> opposite direction to the Earth (and Solar System) as you would >>> only be able to move away from it at a maximum speed of c. >>> Completely counterintuitive, but apparantly that's how it works. >> Hmmm I had always thought that it was relative to a stationary >> point. i.e you start from a theoretical point with 2 objects. Both >> move at the speed of light in opposite directions for 1 year. Each >> object is then 1 light year from the starting point, but there is 2 >> light years between them. And as speed is measured from a stationary >> point reative to the moving object each object is only moving at the >> speed of light (I think ;-) ) > No, the whole point of relativity is that there are no stationary > points. If two spaceships are flying towards each other at 0.9c > relative to a planet that is considered to be stationary in that frame > of reference, the speed of one ship would not be 1.8c relative to the > other ship. It would be somewhere between 0.9c and c. I would have thought it meant relative to something. Your statement is even more absurd than the theory of relatively. The allegedly limiting factor, is the speed of light. So, supposedly, I can't travel any faster than some light that also is travelling in my direction. According to your interpretation, if I were able to be flying at some speed close to the speed of light, and somewhere else somebody started doing the same sort of thing, but in the opposite direction. My flight speed would magically slow down, because we're not allowed to fly apart from each other at any speed faster than light. I just don't beleive in this speed of light limit nonsense (other than it be nearly impossible to find a harnessable energy source to acheive it). If the speed of light is the limit, and anything travelling at the speed of light slows down. Then light, itself, could not travel at the speed that it does. Oh sod this, I'm off to go watch a Doctor Who video. ;-) Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46334 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46334 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:39:18 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Vincenzo Morra To: AF On: 30-Jan-00 18:23:56 Re: [afb] PIRACY-SUCKS Hi Vincenzo, > As I said, I am tired to buy software that does not get updated > because of piracy. I'm more of the opinion that software authors often have an over inflated opinion of their softwares worth and charge too much for some it, and make it damn near impossible to register it; and have an over inflated opinion on how many people would want to buy their software. After some time, they give up on their software, leaving everyone in the lurch. I've tried to register a few pieces of software, only to find that the author is uncontactable, and the software therefore un-crippleable, which is even worse when you can't find an alternative to do the job. Just two cases: 1. I want to register the Telser device package, but can't. 2. I tried registering MUI, but their system was up the creek, and I've been waiting since last November, and get no response to e-mails. And no, I don't consider that I should have to send any more than two "please explain" letters to chase things up. If they can't be bothered to properly deal with customers, I can't be stuffed giving them any money. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46335 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46335 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:29:10 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: <038e01bf6cde$9f5bdb40$be08f3d0@default> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: OK, FINE! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Sean Courtney To: afb On: 02-Feb-00 03:03:18 Re: [afb] OK, FINE! Hi Sean, > I will buy Dir Opus Magellan II, but man, if YAM still crashes with > it, I'm gonna slap Ben upside the head... DOpus and YAM get along quite fine here, I've never attributed any of YAMs bugs to DOpus. (I'm running 3.1, by the way). Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46336 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46336 Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:35:57 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Modems & Line resets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Matthew J Fletcher To: afb On: 29-Jan-00 19:57:23 Re: [afb] Modems & Line resets Hi Matthew, > dough !!, so does the modem reset when the amiga flushes the serial > registers on startup or have i just paid for a load of online like a > thicko. That's "d'oh!" (as in Homer Simpson), not bread. ;-) No, the Amiga does not reset the MODEM when it resets. Only if your MODEM is programmed to drop the connection with a drop in the DTR (data terminal ready {the Amiga} signal), will the MODEM reset when the terminal becomes unready. This is actually a bonus for us. As we can crash the computer, without losing a connection, and re-establish the link, without having to pay for another phone call. Which is important here, where phone calls cost 25 cents each, no matter how short they are. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46337 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46337 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:21:56 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: LS-120 Bargain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit _Replying to a message_: By: Duncan Gow To: afb On: 06-Feb-00 00:07:26 Re: [afb] LS-120 Bargain Hi Duncan, > I thought I just pass on what I consider a bargain. > All items were brand new > > LS-120 drive 33.78 > LS-120 Disks 5 Interesting. Over here the drives are about twice that, and the disks about three times that. I bought a PC (spit) with a Zip drive, and an LS-120 (*instead* of a normal floppy), but I've never used the LS-120 with an LS disk yet (neither came with any blanks). Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46338 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46338 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:17:26 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: java 'n' hex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Matthew O'Neill To: Amiga Format Bulletin On: 04-Feb-00 05:17:33 Re: [afb] java 'n' hex Hi Matthew, > Maybe rich could help me with a hex? ;) I need a small simple program > where I can enter some rgb or hsv vales and get it to spit out a hex > colour code so I can stick it in my webpage. I cant for the life of me > work out what 255, 197, 0 is in hex. I thought it was FFFD00 C5 197/16=12 and leftovers. 12 dec = C hex leftover is 5 exactly 5 dec = 5 hex > but browsers keep giving my different colours between my pics and > the background :/ That'll always happen. Different browsers have different ways of getting colour on the screen. In the Amiga, you're limited by free pens, and you'll be stuck with the nearest equivelent (no matter how un-near it may be). Other platforms may use the standard 256 colour scheme, and use the nearest available match to your colour. And then there's just the inconsistency between VDU driver cards and VDU phosphors as well. > NB. java = javascript, same for all my future emails. JAVA doesn't equal JavaScript, no matter how lazy you are at typing. IBM = Computer = Amiga, because it's 2 letters shorter, and easier to type. Perhaps we shall all call our Amigas IBMs now. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46339 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46339 Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:5:52 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: HTML directories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Matthew O'Neill To: Amiga Format Bulletin On: 03-Feb-00 04:39:41 Re: [afb] HTML directories Hi Matthew, > Is it possible to go back a drawer in html? Yes. Put ../ (dot dot slash) in front of your URI. For maximum compatibility, it's probably best to always put ./ (dot slash) in front of URIs for files in the current working directory too. > eg I have a file at: > www.bigwig.net/mash/main/html/index.html > > and I want a picture to appear in that page which is located at: > www.bigwig.net/mash/main/pics/1.jpg some useful descriptive text > Is it possible to have the reference to go back a level then into the > pics directory or do I have to make my code much bigger by adding the > server stuff back in again? eg could I have > Not slash slash, that's Amiga DOS. > rather than > Relative addresses (the ./ and ../), rather than absolute (full URIs), are usually best for web sites. It allows easier manipulation of the directory structure, viewing the site off-line, and minimal changes are necessary should the base URI change. Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46340 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46340 Date: 9 Feb 2000 11:20:54 +0900 From: "Tim Seifert" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Zippity do da, Zippity Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _Replying to a message_: By: Paul Cundle To: afb On: 30-Jan-00 21:23:40 Re: [afb] Re: Zippity do da, Zippity Day Hi Paul, > Hang on, this isn't right, that means the RDB way is better....! > So does anyone know how safe it is to alternate between one RDB > formatted disk and some normal mountlisty type disks? I can confirm that using differently partitioned disks is a disaster, as the Amiga doesn't seem to recognise a change in disk structure when disks are swapped. I have inserted a RDB Zip disk, which mounts itself, removed it, and the next disk inserted, gets the same parameters (i.e. the next disk doesn't need a RDB). Bye, Tim. (B.A. T.L.M.N.) -- http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au (Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical support, and more. For further information visit the web site. *** DO NOT SEND JUNK MAIL *** ------------------------------ message 46341 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46341 From: "Sean Courtney" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:46:18 -0500 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: THOR in my side.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to >>> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all >>> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although >>> ConnectThor tells me everything went through. > >> How about setting your clock back to 1999 ? Well, I was able to send e-mails successfully, but after looking at them carefully I noticed that Thor had 'em dated as "06-March-36" !! After some tinkering, I got it to work, though, so I can post again! ------------------------------ message 46342 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46342 From: "Anthony Prime" Date: 7 Feb 2000 18:01:15 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew O'Neill said something about [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office > > Pah - all this email gets read from a punch card I have produced by hand > > and then sent via Telex to a machine in Uxbridge and then forwarded to an > > HP Apollo Unix box before being sent to the list - so there ;P > I have an 80 year old lady at a post office writing out all these mails by > hand using a quill and a pot of ink, then she gets her son to cycle round > to my house (on his penny farthing) to hand deliver them. So um keep the > sig short, she has arthritus 8) She isn't named Mrs Dalrymple by any chance? :) -- Anthony Prime >>Powered by Amiga in Crewe anthony@prime.clara.co.uk ------------------------------ message 46343 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46343 From: "Anthony Prime" Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:53:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: AFCD50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Vost said something about [afb] Re: AFCD50 > > Thanks to whoever put Pranger onto the latest CD. > If it was on Aminet and it didn't have a "Distribution: NoCD" tag in the > readme... It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8) > All the best, Along with everything else with no flag ;) -- Anthony Prime >>Powered by Amiga in Crewe anthony@prime.clara.co.uk ------------------------------ message 46344 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46344 From: "Ben Vost" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:01:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: AFCD50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Anthony, >> If it was on Aminet and it didn't have a "Distribution: NoCD" tag in the >> readme... > It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8) But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't full every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with... All the best, -- Ben Vost (x2337) /PGP key available/ T: (+44) 01225 442244 Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A computer program does what you tell it to do, not necessarily what you want it to do. ------------------------------ message 46345 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46345 Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:19:53 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: <20000209173756.A13066@high5.net> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tudor Davies said, > Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or was it > a license > ie - without Phase5 can they still make them? If it is a license, the receivers would want DCE to continue making them. Part of the receiver's job is to get in as much money as possible to pay off creditors. Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- WinErr 005: Multitasking attempted - System confused ------------------------------ message 46346 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46346 From: Sandy Brownlee Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:12:09 +0100 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Keyboard Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm one of those fools who bought a Blittersoft Keyboard interface when doing a tower conversion. My reasoning was that I got to get their "Powered by Amiga" case, to rehouse my old A1200s KB. Now I am playing Quake, I'd like the benefits of multiple keypresses, and I want an Eyetech or Power interface. Trouble is, I don't know if the rehoused keyboard will work. I've heard that the housing converts the keyboard into a standard PC one, with a PS\2 plug. Does anyone have one of these keyboards working with a non- Blittersoft interface? Of course, they told me it was impossible :-( Regards, Sandy -- Sandy Brownlee OS3.5 & PPC Powered! Email: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Website: http://www.brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sent using YAM 2.0 ---------------------------------- For the uninformed, this is a tagline. ------------------------------ message 46347 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46347 From: "Kevin Fairhurst" Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:48:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1098.74T665T6564064T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: The falling circulation numbers. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9 Feb 2000 10:56:13 +0900, Tim Seifert (T.A.S@bigpond.com) wrote: > And why should we? Why does everyone have this rampant capitialist > attitude that we should be forever giving other people our money, just > for the sake of it? Why should they continue developing/writing stuff, "for the sake of it" ? Kev -- Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM ------------------------------ message 46348 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46348 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:23:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Andrews In-Reply-To: <951.74T1983T6185818T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9 Feb 2000, Tim Seifert wrote: > > ...or a "+", which is easier to remember. > > Which, surprise surprise, doesn't work with Microsoft IE and OE. The > subject line gets the + symbol written into it. Really? Oh well, back to escaping then ;( I have my IE set up to use hotmail to sendmail rather than launching a mail program that I never use ;) It works with that. bye, Chris ------------------------------ message 46349 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46349 From: Mark Wilson Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:22:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1152.75T1450T2325065T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09-Feb-00, Tim wrote this: >>> I have read on the latest Amiga Active what piracy is doing to >>> Vaporware = > Better programming might actually help, rather than hideously buggy and= > seriously outdated web browsers. I think as it stands Voyager 3 is one of the most advanced Web browsers o= n the Amiga (What didnt help in my opinion was Amozilla which all but kille= d off serious web browser development) Voyager 3 is stable, if you have a gfx card, Poor old AGA users seem to l= oose out though, but I'm sure that Olli and everyone at vaporware do their very be= st in the current market to make *good* products. = >> Tell me about it. The amount of times I, and Mark, have seen people >> come on IRC with pirate keyfiles is pretty horrifying tbh. = = > Making it possible to register software without putting a huge burden o= n > the customer also helps. It's stupid when Amiga owners can't use Amiga= > software to register their software over the net. If I have to use a P= C > to register Amiga software that has half the functionality of the PC > software, I may as well not bother. Well, You can buy online, you can use the Vaporware Reg tool, or online v= ia Actives website, I really dont see what the problem is, can you Do better= ?, No I thought not, now go reg that software. -- = Mark 'tecno' Wilson = Team Member of AmiBench Web: http://www.AmiBench.org Email: mark@amibench.org ------------------------------ message 46350 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46350 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Andrews In-Reply-To: <1250.74T603T6234610T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Star Office Amiga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9 Feb 2000, Tim Seifert wrote: > Having got it on the PC, I consider it diabolical. Though I've never > liked office suites. I don't like convoluted interconnected software, > that likes to pretend its an OS in itself, but doesn't behave like your > OS or any of your other applications. It is the best of what is out there (for linux) though, unfortunately. But then, when you try to write software to run on all platforms they tend to live in a world of their own. It saved my life on several occasions when I was using Linux in corporate land. A bit like trying to write stuff in Java. File permissions... what are they? ;) bye, Chris ------------------------------ message 46351 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46351 Date: 9 Feb 2000 18:26:19 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: <881.74T2241T4505796T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: alt.binaries? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Seifert said, > Hi Neil, >>> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software. >> That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s... > Don't forget LINUX distributions........................... Only the ones that shouldn't be distributed freely. MP3 are the main user of usenet bandwidth, warez second and pron third. >> 96% of Usenet's 100GB+ per day is binaries, something it was never >> intended for. > Hmm, well e-mail has also expanded from it's origins, HTML too, and it > hasn't always been a good thing either. Email and HTML aren't stored on hundreds (thousands?) of servers worldwide. An email is transferred from the sender's server to the recipients and deleted from there once he's read it. News has a separate copy of each article stored on each server, another reason why it's totally unsuitable for binary distribution. It's no coincidence that usenet binaries are used mainly for illegal material, it doesn't have the accountability of a web or FTP site. Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- Windows Error:01F Reserved for future mistakes. ------------------------------ message 46352 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46352 Date: 9 Feb 2000 18:17:55 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: <1302.74T1625T6604816T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: THOR in my side.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Seifert said, >>> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to >>> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all >>> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although >>> ConnectThor tells me everything went through. >> How about setting your clock back to 1999 ? > Setting your clock backwards when posting to newsgroups, of all places, > is likely to get your postings deleted instantly for being too old. Which is what's happening already, because of an old, non-Y2K complaint version of THOR. Get the 2.6a update from Aminet. > Newservers expire messages on any one of various criteria; available > drive space, deleting oldest stored messages, deleting oldest dated > messages. News servers also continually offer all articles to each server the peer with. If an old message had turned up after it had been expired, the server would accept it again. this happened a year or two back when the MSN server started feeding old articles back out to usenet. If an article is older than the server's expiry time, it is rejected. Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- When your pet bird sees you reading the newspaper, does he wonder why you're just sitting there, staring at carpeting? ------------------------------ message 46353 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46353 From: "Paul Cundle" Date: 8 Feb 2000 19:36:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <017501bf71cc$f79b9960$78849fd4@no1> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: POLL: Are you taking part in the spending frenzy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone around here has been mumbling again. Apparently they go by the name of Jonathan Day. > > Isn't the empty Zip drive box I'm sending you reward enough ? Gosh, I > > don't know, some people... ;) > Well that sounds like a really good pressy... ;-) Well seeing as you chucked yours out when you got it, what could I do ;) And it's not a pressy as such - Eddie gets a reward, y'know. > Jon Paul C, not asking - telling -- ... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. ------------------------------ message 46354 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46354 From: "Paul Cundle" Date: 8 Feb 2000 19:41:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: New ish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to Ben, there's something good going on and it's something to do with [afb] Re: New ish. > Actually no, it's supposed to be rounded to the nearest hundred, must have > been missed this time. I thought the "more than 2,999 directories" was quite amusing. So, er, that would be, well, let's work this out... Nope, too difficult for me ;) > Ben Vost Paul C, untrustworthy -- ... Some more samples of New Elements for the Periodic Table: 1) Canadium, Eh: Similar to Americium, but a little denser. 2) Innofensium, Pc: Precisely equal numbers of electrons, protons, neutrons, leptons, quarks. Completely inert, utterly useless, but smells like a rose. 3) Cabmium, Cb: Found in abundance, except when needed. Exists in two states, in motion and at rest. When in motion, it cannot be stopped, no matter what you do. Cabmium has a charge associated with it. The charge is variable, and scientists have not determined the formula for calculating it. ------------------------------ message 46355 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46355 From: Roger Sivertsen Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:06:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] This is why the Amiga died MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amiga was a computer for non-serious users - among the users. Wow! Great games, let's buy it! PC, the serious computer. Serious stuff is what people make most of the best jokes on. Jokes are entertainment. PC: Two things in one. Commodore got bankrupt, the Amiga is dead. Let's buy PCs. Amigas were great for music, some claim they still are. If I had the choice, I'd buy a Mac or PC, as the soundcards and software available are more user-friendly to musicians than ever. Still, I have a PPC Amiga. Where is the software? Sure, a couple of companies are developing some games for us, who beleive the Amiga still has a future. Where's what I need? I need power, damnit, and I am too stubbard to sell off my Amiga! Why? Because I love it. Piracy? Fine, as long as we're not talking about the newest softwarez, because THEN it would hurt the companies developing the shit, as they sell most of their products in the beginning, an then they only sell a few, to those of you who beleive the Amiga is their reeligion. Long live the developers, users, and the companies who are (stupid) great enough to support us with our "nerdy" needs. *Life is daangerous - you can die* ------------------------------ message 46356 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46356 From: Sandy Brownlee Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:35:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2653.74T2440T4125915T.A.S@bigpond.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Was: Exams)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Tim On 08-Feb-00, you wrote: > I just don't beleive in this speed of light limit nonsense (other than > it be nearly impossible to find a harnessable energy source to acheive > it). If the speed of light is the limit, and anything travelling at the > speed of light slows down. Then light, itself, could not travel at the > speed that it does. Relativistic motion: (Turn off YAM text styles with RAmiga- T) m = m0 --------- /---------- \/ 1- (v^2/c^2) This may turn up quite poor with different fonts, but the story is: The mass of an object=Its mass when stationary, divided by the square root of 1 minus (its velocity squared divided by the speed of light squared). If the object exceeded c (spd of light), (v^2/c^2) would be greater than 1. Hence, the bottom line of the equation would be the square root of a negative number, which has no real answer. That is, the objects mass would be infinite. So you cannot go beyond the speed of light, even in an Amiga powered spacecraft (rough attempt to make this on- topic) Regards Sandy -- Sandy Brownlee OS3.5 & PPC Powered! Email: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Website: http://www.brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sent using YAM 2.0 ---------------------------------- Why should I bother typing out a tagline? ------------------------------ message 46357 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46357 From: Sandy Brownlee Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:05:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: AFCD50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ben On 09-Feb-00, you wrote: > But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't > full every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with... Such as wastes of space like my program... Regards Sandy -- Sandy Brownlee OS3.5 & PPC Powered! Email: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Website: http://www.brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sent using YAM 2.0 ---------------------------------- This taglline will self- destruct upon deletion. ------------------------------ message 46358 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46358 From: Rick Hodger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:41:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: G3/G4 cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on their keyboard... > On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:08:58 +0000, Rick Hodger (rick.thehub@bigfoot.com) > wrote: >> I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on >> their keyboard... >> Yes that's a possiblity. However, if it's securely protected then >> nothing but a specific updater will be able to edit it. >> Yeah....it's not like secure software has even been hacked >> before or anything... > Then (as someone les has pointed out) ship the boars with a write protect > jumper :- Yeah, but I sent this before he said that... >>> And why have a FlashROM, >>> if they get it right first time? ;-) >> Because I don't know of any programmer that has got something right first >> time, and any programmer who think's all his code will work first-time on >> any machine with any number of possible hardware configs, has a way too >> big ego and shouldn't be allowed to program. > Actually, it's not just the programmers fault - if something goes > wrong you blame the beta-test team ;) heheh....end users won't usually accept that as an excuse tho :) > Kev, who has got many programs right first time Yeah...okay :) -- Rick Hodger - rick . thehub @ bigfoot . com Anti Spam Sig - Remove the spaces The world is coming to an end. Please log off. ------------------------------ message 46359 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46359 From: Rick Hodger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:46:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1459.73T2203T11894925neil@wire.net.uk> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: V MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched as Neil Bothwick hammered "[afb] Re: V" out on their keyboard... > Daniel Thornton said, >> On 8 Feb 2000 17:10:30 +0000, neil@wire.net.uk was largin' it with these >> words... >>> Why would Stefan even consider working on it when there are people that >>> have been using 3.x for years without paying? >> The problem is, a lot of people don't want to register MUI, because they >> don't like it. > That's not a problem. The licence for MUI doesn't require you to > register after a certain amount of use, unlike most other shareware > programs. Yeah, it doesn't time out after 30 days or anything... >> Unfortunately, a lot of almost essential programs do use >> it, and to get the best you need to register MUI as well; it's not >> exactly fair on the user that they should have to pay extra because of >> choices a software author has made. Unfortunately, though, that's just >> how it is :/ > I gave up saying this years ago. It seems people are quite happy with > users paying for the programmers tools. > Without going to the relative merits of ClassAct as a GUI system, the > licensing system is much fairer. It's the programmer that gets paid for > writing the software, so it's the programmer that pays the licence for > the GUI. Unfortunately, while it's fairer, the MUI approach is far more > likely to encourage its use by programmers. The other thing of course, is that the MUI system has a lot more going for it in the programmer's eyes. A quick look at aminet reveals no end to the number of MCC's for doing little jobs, thereby saving the programmer a good deal of time and effort. IMO, it also looks a hell of a lot nicer. ClassAct looks kinda...nasty... -- Rick Hodger - rick . thehub @ bigfoot . com Anti Spam Sig - Remove the spaces Lead me not into temptation; I can find it myself. ------------------------------ message 46360 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46360 From: Rick Hodger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:50:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87q0bj$39pg@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: 3.5 memory probs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched as James hammered "[afb] 3.5 memory probs" out on their keyboard... > I got OS3.5 last week. It installed no problem and worked great, mostly. > Except, I keep getting out of memory errors. I've got 16Mb fast, in my > A1200. > My screenmode is 640x512 DBLPAL in 16 colours, and I usually have about > 1.6Mb > chip free on boot. The problems usually occur with the prefs progs, in > particular, palette and pointer prefs, which refuse to load, giving no > error > message, if I've been using the machine for a while. Has anyone else > experienced this? Did you install OS3.5 over the top of OS3.1? If you did, run SnoopDOS while running one of those prefs programs....you might find the OS3.5 install neglected to copy some files over that are needed by the Reaction GUI system (I forget the exact names). -- Rick Hodger - rick . thehub @ bigfoot . com Anti Spam Sig - Remove the spaces Always keep a record of data - it indicates you've been working. ------------------------------ message 46361 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46361 From: "Frost" References: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:43:04 -0000 X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: Sim City 2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anybody out there got Sim City 2000? If you have have do you get the > > error "missing resource - text 3000" etc, if you query a library and click > > on the ruminate button? > > > Yes mine is a legal version of the game but I've had no replies from Epic > > so I'm asking here. > > I've got the original version from years ago, but i don't get that bug. So what is it that you see when you click on the ruminate option then? Frost. -- "Ecstasy - what a feeling... Makes me want to use a machine gun." - Johnny Violent, E-heads Must Die. ------------------------------ message 46362 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46362 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:46:14 +0000 References: <2653.74T2440T4125915T.A.S@bigpond.com> In-Reply-To: <2653.74T2440T4125915T.A.S@bigpond.com>; from Tim Seifert on Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:52:48AM +0900 From: Matthew Garrett X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Was: Exams)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:52:48AM +0900, Tim Seifert wrote: > According to your interpretation, if I were able to be flying at some > speed close to the speed of light, and somewhere else somebody started > doing the same sort of thing, but in the opposite direction. My flight > speed would magically slow down, because we're not allowed to fly apart > from each other at any speed faster than light. Your speed wouldn't change. Their speed wouldn't change. It's just that your relative speeds wouldn't exceed the speed of light, because relative speed is not just the sum of the speed of the objects involved. On Earth, where we're talking about speeds that are somewhat low compared to the speed of light, you can get away with assuming that it's that simple. It's still an approximation, though. The main problem is that people assume that because something looks like it behaves one way on the small scale that it behaves the same way on the large scale. Sadly relativity doesn't follow this assumption - if you try to model it using traditional Newtonian physics then you'll just end up confusing yourself and saying things like "The relative speed will be twice the speed of light" (which it won't). -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk ------------------------------ message 46363 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46363 From: Sandy Brownlee Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:03:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBD1@THE_EXCHANGE> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: TCP via Serial MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Robert On 09-Feb-00, you wrote: > What you need to do is to set up a "Login Script" in Miami that says > something like "Send 'RING\nRING' Wait 'ATA' Send 'CONNECT 115200'". > Then set up "Dial-up Server" on the PC, and set it running on the > Null-modem. > THEN "Dial-in" using Miami on the Amiga, and voila! one working TCP/IP > connection! I could do with something like this, to connect to Quake on my dad's laptop. Unfortuantely, this was supplied by his company, and so I don't have a Win95 CD to set up the server with. Is there another way? Regards Sandy -- Sandy Brownlee OS3.5 & PPC Powered! Email: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Website: http://www.brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sent using YAM 2.0 ---------------------------------- From the people who brought you poor taglines. ------------------------------ message 46364 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46364 From: "Kevin Fairhurst" Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:22:04 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1265.74T999T11063969neil@wire.net.uk> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: alt.binaries? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9 Feb 2000 18:26:19 +0000, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote: > Tim Seifert said, > > > Hi Neil, > > >>> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software. > > >> That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s... > > > Don't forget LINUX distributions........................... > > Only the ones that shouldn't be distributed freely. MP3 are the main > user of usenet bandwidth, warez second and pron third. Followed closely by the porn, which isn't as bad as pron cos that stuff is twisted ... Well that's what you mean, isn't it Neil? ;-) Kev -- Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM ------------------------------ message 46365 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46365 From: "Kevin Fairhurst" Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:26:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: G3/G4 cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:41:01 +0000, Rick Hodger (rick.thehub@bigfoot.com) wrote: > I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on their > keyboard... > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:08:58 +0000, Rick Hodger (rick.thehub@bigfoot.com) > > wrote: > >> I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on > >> their keyboard... > > >> Yes that's a possiblity. However, if it's securely protected then > >> nothing but a specific updater will be able to edit it. > > >> Yeah....it's not like secure software has even been hacked > >> before or anything... > > > Then (as someone les has pointed out) ship the boars with a write protect > > jumper :- > > Yeah, but I sent this before he said that... Not the sarcasm thing. he replied to your original "ooh, someone will crack it and spread a virus" post. But what if they used a 64 bit encryption key? Given the amount of time RC5-64 is taking no-one would crack that until a new board was out to supercede it anyway!! > > Actually, it's not just the programmers fault - if something goes > > wrong you blame the beta-test team ;) > > heheh....end users won't usually accept that as an excuse tho :) It shouldn't get as far as the end users, but sometimes they get nominated to join teh beta test team without realising it .... > > Kev, who has got many programs right first time > > Yeah...okay :) It's true - I didn't have much choice as I was working on a lot of Y2k stuff in COBOL. A hell of a lot of my seat-of -the-pants changes worked first time and still work. Some didn't I admit. Hell, a lot didn't. The thing is, I made sure myself that it worked before shouting that I'd fixed it. Gave me more time and a better understanding of the problem *grin* Kev -- Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM ------------------------------ message 46366 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46366 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:29:53 +0000 From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] MUI - was: A crappy announcement... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bauglir wrote: >> The fact that it's an unwanted requirement is good reason to pay for it? > > Take out the "unwanted" part from that statement, and I think you get > the gist of it :) It doesn't matter whether it's unwanted or not, that > doesn't change the fact that it's a requirement for some software, the > best Internet software, in particular. I don't deny that it's a requirement, I'm saying that the consumer shouldn'= t have to pay an extra =A320 for a programmers decision. Regards, Jonny. ------------------------------ message 46367 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46367 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:25:36 +0000 From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] MUI - was: A crappy announcement... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bauglir wrote: >> But OS3.5 upgrades and improves the whole system, rather than one part o= f >> it. Is MUI a *vital* component of the software that uses it? Last I chec= ked, >> the OS came with a GUI built in. MUI just adds to the overall expense. > > The OS comes with a GUI built in, but it's not a particularly attractive > one. Yes, MUI is a vital component of the software that uses it. Just as > AHI is a vital component of the software that uses *that*, or CGX, or > ClassAct, etc. The programmer may not have to use that particular GUI, > but it does make their software nicer to look at and use. :) Heh, I phrased that badly. What I meant was; could the software have been programmed without using MUI? Therefore, people wanting to use the software wouldn't feel obliged to fork out another =A320 for a GUI - something they go= t when they forked out for their computer or OS upgrade. As far as I can make out, MUI offers programmers an easier GUI development environment. In that case, doesn't that make it a developer tool? If so, surely the developers should pay for it, not the consumers. As you pointed out, "the programmer may not have to use [MUI]", but if they do, should they alone not have to bear the full cost of that decision? Regards, Jonny. ------------------------------ message 46368 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46368 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:25:52 +0000 From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: AFCD50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Vost wrote: >> It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8) > > But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't full > every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with... I can't say I've ever checked... You having a bad week there Ben? You seem slightly more caustic than usual. :/ Regards, Jonny (concerned). ------------------------------ message 46369 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46369 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:34:01 +0000 From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] MUI - was: A crappy announcement to have to make MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Johnston wrote: >> That's the whole point. You may not *want* it, but you *need* to use it = for >> certain software. If it was an *option* with that software, rather than = a >> requirement, then you could decide whether you *wanted* it or not. > Kinda like Miami's Multi-gui options, then... Precisely. You can pay the extra =A320, or not. The choice is yours. Regards, Jonny. ------------------------------ message 46370 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46370 From: "Daniel Thornton" Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:37:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:22:52 +0000, tecnobab@stayfree=2Eco=2Euk was largin'= it with these words=2E=2E=2E > Voyager 3 is stable, if you have a gfx card, Poor old AGA users seem to l= oose out > though, but I'm sure that Olli and everyone at vaporware do their very be= st > in the current market to make *good* products=2E V=B3 is very stable in AGA if you disable flash=2E Using FBlit helps as well, because V loves chip-ram=2E --=20 The Wibble -- http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk ----------------------------= ----- "The funniest website you'll ever see! (At these two domains)" *Buy your books & CD's online, from The Wibble* -- Updated: 7 February, 2000 --- http://www=2Ethe-wibble=2Eco=2Euk -- The W= ibble ------------------------------ message 46371 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46371 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Andrews In-Reply-To: <87sj0j+1f89@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote: > I don't deny that it's a requirement, I'm saying that the consumer should= n't > have to pay an extra =A320 for a programmers decision. What about a blanket decision of many programmers? Anyway, you don't HAVE to pay, especially 20 quid for each program that uses it. =20 bye, Chris ------------------------------ message 46372 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46372 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Andrews In-Reply-To: <87sj0l+kkl2@eGroups.com> X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote: > As you pointed out, "the programmer may not have to use [MUI]", but if they > do, should they alone not have to bear the full cost of that decision? They'd be paying a lot more than 20 smackeroonies if they had to pay the full cost of having MUI developed themselves. In fact, the chances are that they HAVE paid for MUI already. bye, Chris ------------------------------ message 46373 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46373 Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:27:3 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: V MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Hodger said, > I watched as Neil Bothwick hammered "[afb] Re: V" out on their keyboard... >> That's not a problem. The licence for MUI doesn't require you to >> register after a certain amount of use, unlike most other shareware >> programs. > Yeah, it doesn't time out after 30 days or anything... It's not just that. Many shareware programs don't time out, but you should still register if you use it after the evaluation period. MUI doesn't have an evaluation period. From the guide: " If you plan to use the full set of MUI's possibilities (different fonts, frames, images, background pattern, ...) with all applications, or if you just feel that MUI is good and should be supported, you should register." In other words, register if you feel it's worth it. >> Without going to the relative merits of ClassAct as a GUI system, the ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> licensing system is much fairer. It's the programmer that gets paid for >> writing the software, so it's the programmer that pays the licence for >> the GUI. Unfortunately, while it's fairer, the MUI approach is far more >> likely to encourage its use by programmers. > The other thing of course, is that the MUI system has a lot more going for > it in the programmer's eyes. But that's going to the relative merits of the GUI systems. This was about the licensing issue. Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- A real programmer never documents his code. It was hard to make, it should be hard to read ------------------------------ message 46374 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb/?start=46374 Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:39:19 +0000 From: "Neil Bothwick" In-Reply-To: X-Mailing-List: afb@egroups.com Subject: [afb] Re: New ish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Cundle said, >> Actually no, it's supposed to be rounded to the nearest hundred, must have >> been missed this time. > I thought the "more than 2,999 directories" was quite amusing. 0-99 is the first hundred, 2899-2999 is the thirtieth hundred. This should be obvious to anyone who believes that this year is the start of the third millennium. Neil -- Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider http://www.wire.net.uk -- Strike any user to continue ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/afb Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com.